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copy link Newsgroups: news.admin.peering sci.crypt news.admin.peeringI am starting this thread to document complaints to Google to resolve
the tsunami of Usenet spam originating with their servers. The spam
flood attack has persisted for a very long time.
Since 8/31 the last 10000 messages I polled from Usenet group
'sci.crypt' are mostly automated spam originating with google path
headers.
Only 44 messages were found that are not spam. This means that roughly
99.56% of all messages in the group are spam originating with google
servers.
I suggest others file abuse complaints with Google, then post copies of
those complaints as follow-ups to this thread in news.admin.peering.
This way we can document efforts to request Google cease enabling the
spam abuse.
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copy link Newsgroups: news.admin.peering sci.cryptFrom: "sybershock.com" <admin@sybershock.com>
To: network-abuse@google.com
Cc: abuse@google.com, abusecomplaints@markmonitor.com
Subject: Usenet Abuse Complaint - Spam Denial of Service Attack
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2023 15:29:59 -0500
Since 8/31 the last 10000 messages I polled from Usenet group
'sci.crypt' are mostly automated spam originating with google path
headers.
Only 44 messages were found that are not spam. This means that roughly
99.56% of all messages in the group are spam originating with google
servers.
This flood attack has persisted for months.
Please put an end to this flood attack.
Google groups users have been running a long-term spam flood attack on
newsgroup 'sci.crypt' for a long time. This spam flood is causing a
sustained denial of service attack on the group. The google groups
service is enabling a months-long denial of service attack to persist.
The attackers are flooding thousands of spam messages into the
newsgroup. In the last two weeks it appears they spammers have flooded
at least 10,000 messages into the newsgroup.
This spam attack of thousands of spam messages has rendered the Usenet
group unusable. It is not feasible to filter out these many spam
messages by sender names. The nymshifters just keep nymshifting and
their flood continues unabated. This is just so far beyond ridiculous
that I have no words for it.
The messages are for illegal pharmaceutical sales and bitcoin scams,
illegal blackhat services and similar garbage. They are not legitimate
messages. They are not 'protected speech'.
Please analyze the flood of spam in 'sci.crypt' and terminate the
offending accounts. The only right action against these network abusers
is outright account termination. Please also note that many of the spam
ads advertise drugs and illegal computer penetration services which may
violate laws in jurisdictions involved.
Please in the future severely throttle all user posts to the
group sci.crypt and Usenet in general. It seems cheap and easy for
spammers to utilize google services as a vector for DDoS spamming
against Usenet. Long-time users of the group, 'sci.crypt' are either
being denied service, or severely annoyed by the endless flood of spam.
In the time it took me to write this short email dozens more spam
messages have flooded the newsgroup. Almost all of those messages
originate from google services in the Path headers. This flood attack
is ongoing 24/7 and is clearly an automated attack and it must be
stopped.
I also request that google post nocem and cancel messages for the last
50 thousand or so sci.crypt spam posts originating from google servers.
Please clean up the mess.
Thank you for your attention to this matter. I look forward to a valid
response indicating action to resolve this matter.
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copy link Newsgroups: news.admin.peering sci.cryptI notified Hacker News.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37514999
Maybe someone there might know someone who knows someone ...
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@arstechnica@mastodon.social
@theregister@geeknews.chat
At over 40 years old, Usenet is the oldest sharing network in
continuous operation. Today Usenet is under sustained attack from
malicious spammers and con artists. Most newsgroup charters prohibit
commercial advertisement or solicitation. Yet the upstream providers do
nothing to block such messages. What's worse, the services advertised
in many of the spam messages are illegal and fraudulent.
Maybe some investigators at the tech zines might want to inquire why
Google News has allowed a massive tsunami of illegal drug sales,
bitcoin fraud, and illegal blackhat services spam to flood Usenet
newsgroups?
The spam is so voluminous that newsgroup 'sci.crypt' has virtually been
rendered inaccessible by spam DDoS. Some usenet reader softwares don't
have the filtering facility to weed out all the garbage.
All my prior abuse complaints to Google and other major Usenet
providers have not been addressed or resolved. Therefore from now
onward I will be documenting them on Usenet. We want our sci.crypt back
from the malicious spammers and the Usenet providers that enable them
to operate with impunity.
If you know anyone who investigates and reports on this kind of stuff
please alert them. Maybe a little bit of attention will spur resolute
action.
I hope for an outcome of 100% elimination of all the drug, fraud,
blackhat, and DDoS spam and measures taken to prevent any repeat in the
future. Any Usenet provider that claims they shouldn't need to prevent
spam shouldn't be running a NNTP server peered to Usenet.
https://sybershock.com/forum/random/article-flat.php?id=383&group=news.admin.peering#383
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptIn sci.crypt Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
> I am starting this thread to document complaints to Google to resolve
> the tsunami of Usenet spam originating with their servers. The spam
> flood attack has persisted for a very long time.
It appears that somewhere among your broadcasting this issue that
someone at google took notice and finally did something.
The spam torrent seems to (for now) have stopped.
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptOn Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:35:32 -0000 (UTC)
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> In sci.crypt Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
> > I am starting this thread to document complaints to Google to resolve
> > the tsunami of Usenet spam originating with their servers. The spam
> > flood attack has persisted for a very long time.
>
> It appears that somewhere among your broadcasting this issue that
> someone at google took notice and finally did something.
>
> The spam torrent seems to (for now) have stopped.
It may be that your provider is modifying filters and catching most of it. I have been doing so at i2pn2.org and it would appear to a user that the flood has stopped here, but it has not.
Looking at paganini.bofh.team, I see at least 3,000 new messages (spam) coming in over the last 16 hours or so in sci.crypt.
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptRetro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:35:32 -0000 (UTC)
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>
>> In sci.crypt Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
>> > I am starting this thread to document complaints to Google to resolve
>> > the tsunami of Usenet spam originating with their servers. The spam
>> > flood attack has persisted for a very long time.
>>
>> It appears that somewhere among your broadcasting this issue that
>> someone at google took notice and finally did something.
>>
>> The spam torrent seems to (for now) have stopped.
>
> It may be that your provider is modifying filters and catching most
> of it. I have been doing so at i2pn2.org and it would appear to a
> user that the flood has stopped here, but it has not.
>
> Looking at paganini.bofh.team, I see at least 3,000 new messages
> (spam) coming in over the last 16 hours or so in sci.crypt.
Ok, Eternal September did not receive 3k messages in the last 16 hours,
so this looks like ES doing some filtering of the google firehose of
spam.
So all are asleep at google, as usual.
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptOn Mon, 18 Sep 2023 15:29:27 -0000 (UTC)
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:35:32 -0000 (UTC)
> > Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> In sci.crypt Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
> >> > I am starting this thread to document complaints to Google to resolve
> >> > the tsunami of Usenet spam originating with their servers. The spam
> >> > flood attack has persisted for a very long time.
> >>
> >> It appears that somewhere among your broadcasting this issue that
> >> someone at google took notice and finally did something.
> >>
> >> The spam torrent seems to (for now) have stopped.
> >
> > It may be that your provider is modifying filters and catching most
> > of it. I have been doing so at i2pn2.org and it would appear to a
> > user that the flood has stopped here, but it has not.
> >
> > Looking at paganini.bofh.team, I see at least 3,000 new messages
> > (spam) coming in over the last 16 hours or so in sci.crypt.
>
> Ok, Eternal September did not receive 3k messages in the last 16 hours,
> so this looks like ES doing some filtering of the google firehose of
> spam.
Sounds like E-S is doing a good job!
> So all are asleep at google, as usual.
That's google for you. Try to send email to gmail and they treat you like a scammer. I know, I've been blocked (my mail server), and I used to need to tell clients that since they provided me a gmail address, they may never see the stuff I need to send them from a (big) company address.
Then, they (google) are the number one source of spam on Usenet, but they don't care.
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptOn Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:12:30 -0700, Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:35:32 -0000 (UTC)
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>> In sci.crypt Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
>> > I am starting this thread to document complaints to Google to resolve
>> > the tsunami of Usenet spam originating with their servers. The spam
>> > flood attack has persisted for a very long time.
>>
>> It appears that somewhere among your broadcasting this issue that
>> someone at google took notice and finally did something.
>>
>> The spam torrent seems to (for now) have stopped.
>
> It may be that your provider is modifying filters and catching most of
> it. I have been doing so at i2pn2.org and it would appear to a user
> that the flood has stopped here, but it has not.
>
> Looking at paganini.bofh.team, I see at least 3,000 new messages
> (spam) coming in over the last 16 hours or so in sci.crypt.
I can confirm that the flood from Google continues. In the
past 3 hours, 204 new spam messages from GoogleGroups have
shown up on sci.crypt as provided by my provider, individual.net.
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptOn Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:35:32 -0000 (UTC)
Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> In sci.crypt Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
> > I am starting this thread to document complaints to Google to
> > resolve the tsunami of Usenet spam originating with their servers.
> > The spam flood attack has persisted for a very long time.
>
> It appears that somewhere among your broadcasting this issue that
> someone at google took notice and finally did something.
>
> The spam torrent seems to (for now) have stopped.
Complaints got through the grapevine. Now may the spam stay stopped.
Knock on wood.
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptOn Mon, 18 Sep 2023 12:57:00 -0500
Syber Shock <3883@sugar.bug> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:35:32 -0000 (UTC)
> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>
> > In sci.crypt Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
> > > I am starting this thread to document complaints to Google to
> > > resolve the tsunami of Usenet spam originating with their servers.
> > > The spam flood attack has persisted for a very long time.
> >
> > It appears that somewhere among your broadcasting this issue that
> > someone at google took notice and finally did something.
> >
> > The spam torrent seems to (for now) have stopped.
>
> Complaints got through the grapevine. Now may the spam stay stopped.
>
> Knock on wood.
>
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>
>
There have been 26 new spam messages from google groups since you posted this.
It's just being filtered here. Also on eternal september.
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptOn 18 Sep 2023 17:38:41 GMT
Peter Pearson <pkpearson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
<snip>
> I can confirm that the flood from Google continues. In the
> past 3 hours, 204 new spam messages from GoogleGroups have
> shown up on sci.crypt as provided by my provider, individual.net.
You could file an abuse complaint with individual.net and ask that
they block Google until Google resolves the spam. If they refuse to
remediate you can then post about it here to add to the record.
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptPeter Pearson <pkpearson@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:12:30 -0700, Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> wrote:
>> On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:35:32 -0000 (UTC)
>> Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
>>> In sci.crypt Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
>>> > I am starting this thread to document complaints to Google to resolve
>>> > the tsunami of Usenet spam originating with their servers. The spam
>>> > flood attack has persisted for a very long time.
>>>
>>> It appears that somewhere among your broadcasting this issue that
>>> someone at google took notice and finally did something.
>>>
>>> The spam torrent seems to (for now) have stopped.
>>
>> It may be that your provider is modifying filters and catching most of
>> it. I have been doing so at i2pn2.org and it would appear to a user
>> that the flood has stopped here, but it has not.
>>
>> Looking at paganini.bofh.team, I see at least 3,000 new messages
>> (spam) coming in over the last 16 hours or so in sci.crypt.
>
> I can confirm that the flood from Google continues. In the
> past 3 hours, 204 new spam messages from GoogleGroups have
> shown up on sci.crypt as provided by my provider, individual.net.
Confirmation then that ES has turned on some form of spam filter for
the group.
The only posts that have arrived from ES have been us discussing
things.
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptOn Wed, 20 Sep 2023 23:21:29 +0300
Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> writes:
> > On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 15:29:27 -0000 (UTC)
> > Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> >
> >> Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org> wrote:
> >> > On Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:35:32 -0000 (UTC)
> >> > Rich <rich@example.invalid> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> In sci.crypt Syber Shock <admin@sybershock.com> wrote:
> >> >> > I am starting this thread to document complaints to Google to resolve
> >> >> > the tsunami of Usenet spam originating with their servers. The spam
> >> >> > flood attack has persisted for a very long time.
> >> >>
> >> >> It appears that somewhere among your broadcasting this issue that
> >> >> someone at google took notice and finally did something.
> >> >>
> >> >> The spam torrent seems to (for now) have stopped.
> >> >
> >> > It may be that your provider is modifying filters and catching most
> >> > of it. I have been doing so at i2pn2.org and it would appear to a
> >> > user that the flood has stopped here, but it has not.
> >> >
> >> > Looking at paganini.bofh.team, I see at least 3,000 new messages
> >> > (spam) coming in over the last 16 hours or so in sci.crypt.
> >>
> >> Ok, Eternal September did not receive 3k messages in the last 16 hours,
> >> so this looks like ES doing some filtering of the google firehose of
> >> spam.
> >
> > Sounds like E-S is doing a good job!
>
> They took their time, but eventually is far better than never.
It's difficult for a usenet admin to be aware of every group that's being spammed. It helps if someone notifies them.
>
> >> So all are asleep at google, as usual.
> >
> > That's google for you. Try to send email to gmail and they treat you
> > like a scammer. I know, I've been blocked (my mail server), and I used
> > to need to tell clients that since they provided me a gmail address,
> > they may never see the stuff I need to send them from a (big) company
> > address.
> >
> > Then, they (google) are the number one source of spam on Usenet, but they don't care.
>
> Indeed. However, google groups have been making some changes in the last
> few days. In some other groups, some GG posters have had their posting
> names mangled against their will to being just the newsgroup name.
> In groups with several GG posters, that's made things very complicated,
> as they all superficially looked alike.
>
> So one is led to believe that not only do they don't employ people who
> can write code, but they don't employ testers either. Or everyone's
> completely incompetent. No evidence to contradict that yet.
I agree with that. I saw the bug, users showing up as the group name. Maybe they should try testing on a test site.
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptAn article circa 2009 ...
"The primary problem with Google Groups boils down to a systemic
failure to contain and manage spam."
"Without fail an onslaught of spam will start to come through your
group – I’ve even seen it happen within the first day. It happens to
every group and doesn’t matter how well you advertise it (or try to
hide it). After having watched Google Groups for as long as I have I
can only assume that there exists no spam filtering whatsoever. Or, if
there is any, it’s the most grossly incompetent spam filter I’ve ever
seen."
https://johnresig.com/blog/google-groups-is-dead/
This aged well.
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copy link Newsgroups: sci.cryptOn Thu, 21 Sep 2023 10:28:44 +0300
Phil Carmody <pc+usenet@asdf.org> wrote:
> I'd be happy with them just throwing their hands up in the air, saying
> "we failed, and we didn't deliver on our promises", and walking away.
> After making their entire archive publicly available. They've been
> nothing but a blight on usenet almost from day 1, and they're now up
> to day 8257.
Spamtember 8257, 2001.
The gremlins in the machine in this era are the spam ghouls of Google
Groups' eternal Spamtember, rather than AOL n00bz.
"Embrace, extend, extinguish." Don't be EEEvil.
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