On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 19:15:27 +0100
Chax Plore <ftilojim@tznvy.pbz> wrote:

> Good day, everyone,
>
> I am searching for untouched version of George Marsaglia's Diehard
> CD-ROM. By "untouched" I mean bit-identical ISO copy of original CD-ROM
> disc.
>
> Of course I found many copies of CD-ROM contents in Internet, but I also
> found that some of them are different between each instance - starting
> from details like different EOL format in source code files, and up to
> errors like some files totally omitted or being binary different from
> each other. This is too much for my OCD. I don't trust Internet copies
> I found anymore.
>
> I think sci.crypt is a good place to ask for potential owners of this
> disc. If it will be found, I plan to upload it to archive.org to
> preserve for eternity this undisputably important piece of computer history.
>
> I planned to post my request on sci.crypt.random-numbers, but it has no
> activity.
>
> More info, including photo of original disc is available at
> https://github.com/jeffThompson/DiehardCDROM
>
> With kindest regards,
>
> Chax Plore
>
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* bump *

Did you find your seek?

The project was tied to the National Science Foundation under grants DMS-8807976 and DMS-9206972.

If you pull the public grant info and contact the named authors and administrators, you might be able to get the whole food chain of everyone that contributed, then begin going down the list to contact them one-by-one.

See NSF grant award info:

https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=8807976&HistoricalAwards=false

The NSF should have archived copies of the original CD-ROMs and research data. A FOIA request might help.

Also you might check with Florida State University's research and IT departments and track down the contacts named in the grant award.

Then there is the archived web site for the project:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160125103112/http:/stat.fsu.edu/pub/diehard/

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On 2024-09-09 06:12, Byrl Raze Buckbriar wrote:
> On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 19:15:27 +0100
> Chax Plore <ftilojim@tznvy.pbz> wrote:
>
>> Good day, everyone,
>>
>> I am searching for untouched version of George Marsaglia's Diehard
>> CD-ROM. By "untouched" I mean bit-identical ISO copy of original CD-ROM
>> disc.
<snip>
>
> * bump *
>
> Did you find your seek?
>
> The project was tied to the National Science Foundation under grants DMS-8807976 and DMS-9206972.
>
> If you pull the public grant info and contact the named authors and administrators, you might be able to get the whole food chain of everyone that contributed, then begin going down the list to contact them one-by-one.
>
> See NSF grant award info:
>
> https://www.nsf.gov/awardsearch/showAward?AWD_ID=8807976&HistoricalAwards=false
>
> The NSF should have archived copies of the original CD-ROMs and research data. A FOIA request might help.
>
> Also you might check with Florida State University's research and IT departments and track down the contacts named in the grant award.
>
> Then there is the archived web site for the project:
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160125103112/http:/stat.fsu.edu/pub/diehard/

FOIA seem to be an overkill for the task.
Web archive of project website contains files from disc (not all of
them) and no ISO image was provided.

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Good day, everyone,

I am searching for untouched version of George Marsaglia's Diehard
CD-ROM. By "untouched" I mean bit-identical ISO copy of original CD-ROM
disc.

Of course I found many copies of CD-ROM contents in Internet, but I also
found that some of them are different between each instance - starting
from details like different EOL format in source code files, and up to
errors like some files totally omitted or being binary different from
each other. This is too much for my OCD. I don't trust Internet copies
I found anymore.

I think sci.crypt is a good place to ask for potential owners of this
disc. If it will be found, I plan to upload it to archive.org to
preserve for eternity this undisputably important piece of computer history.

I planned to post my request on sci.crypt.random-numbers, but it has no
activity.

More info, including photo of original disc is available at
https://github.com/jeffThompson/DiehardCDROM

With kindest regards,

Chax Plore

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On 2024-03-03 21:03, Rich wrote:
> Chax Plore <ftilojim@tznvy.pbz> wrote:

> How do you plan to validate that what you /might/ eventually receive is
> in fact bit-identical to said original? Do you have hash values for
> the originals to use to verify "identical"?
>
> I.e., gaming this out, an 'interested' attacker could create and post
> you a cdrom that looks visually identical to the original in every way,
> but does not in fact contain bit-identical data to an actual original.
>
Well, there are good folks here, active for years, who, I assume, can be
trusted, unless they all are undercover NSA operatives ;)

More seriously, I would check for all differences between CDROM files
received and files from other copies. All differences I would analyse
if they are innocent format-only, like different newline standards,
or if they are much deeper differences, which I would treat with utmost
suspicion.

> Do note that "no postings" does not equate perfectly with "no readers".
> There could be people who would read and respond, but only in reply to
> a post.

Thank you for this suggestion, I will post my request also to other
groups as well.

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